You guys waged a campaign against high-sec miners. You used early 20th century Anti-Semitic propaganda. You said you hated what they stood for.

Perhaps, shock/horror they play the game for different reasons to you. Why should your way be the right way?

This is not a game about pvp, it is about a sandbox.

Now apply that line of reason to say, incursions. Or high sec missions. Or any of the myriad other whines about activities that are supposedly too profitable.

Yes, let's turn on Concord in low sec and null sec. How about that?

The industrialist came before the PvP player in this game, and industrialists know they need the PvP aspect in order to sell more ships. If anyone is just showing up and not understanding how the game works, its the PvP players who think they don't need industry.

Now, what risk do bumpers take? Oh right, nothing, absolutely no risk of anything right now. They don't even get flagged for it like can flippers. Yeah, real risky that.

I find it rather ironic that in this game, you can do whatever you want, yet people choose to be ass hats.

And this is different from null-bears how, exactly?

I read a book about this once.

In chapter 1 it discussed the theory of burning your house down to redecorate the lounge. It even talked of killing people to make them better persons.

In chapter 2 they discussed people who deliberately caused harm to others and then rescued them to appear good.

In chapter 3 they discussed how people break the law to test that the law makers are doing their job.

In chapter 4, they discussed using conscription to fight for liberty.

In chapter 5, they discussed using nuclear weapons to preserve humanity.


It was a great book. Want the title?

[...] So let's get this through everyone's heads once and for all, okay? CCP is a business. A business is an organism designed to acquire money from people. If it fails to do this, it dies. The way CCP makes money is through subscriptions, preferably long subscriptions that last for years. [...]

Because the vocal minority of anti-miner tards and pvp tards on the forum is clearly a representative sample of the customer base as a whole.

Unfortunately, CCP have made it quite clear that they're moving in that direction.

Forgive me but if you are suggesting that the game isn't set up for industrialists then you clearly need to learn what a lot of new aspects about this game. I always presumed factories, research, PI etc were all elements of the game rather than mindless PVP. I'd suggest that the economics of this game is the sole reason why there is PVP.

To claim the alternative is also presumptuous don't you think?

You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec.

Whenever I explain Eve to my friends who have played other games, I always tell them "you probably won't like it, this game is not for everybody" and unfortunately, most of the time it is true. That said, I can't play any of their boring, meaningless theme park games.

Wat? You just left the earth's orbit with that tid bit.

If shooting and blowing up peeps (and/or having them do it to you) is not your thing then go to Hi-sec... hrm, not sure where the market has anything to do with it.

I see the 'player-controlled' bit which means you are part of the panic'd 'miners are ruining the game and it's communism' crowd. I'm not talking about anything to do with markets... simply talking about shooting ships and blowing up.

no it wont

the industry and pve players will leave and the market will crash and the game shortly after that

if any of u idiot pvp pilots think otherwise

your a damn fool

It really just depends how many players (money) CCP wants. [...] So again, it just boils down to how many players they want

leave people alone and let them play how they want. Or go ahead and bump them, and call it PVP or extortion. But don't say it's because you don't approve of how the victim plays the game, or write non sequitur manifestos about it.

There's the winner!!!

They don't have perfect safety in hi-sec. There are plenty of ways to grief people there.

Using carebears so much really taints your thread. Shows a weakness in your arguments.

There are plenty of incentives out there now. Not everyone wants to play the way you do. Some people... dare I say it... have fun playing Eve rather than making it a job.

I prefer 'the leave it the f*ck alone' perspective. I'm not trying to dictate anything on anyone. I'm not saying the game is only for me. I'm not saying the game is only for hi-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for low-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for WH players. I'm not saying the game is only for null sec players. I'm saying LITFA before you screw it up.

Listen, if I want to let CCP suck $15 out of my account every month so that I can sit and spin little imaginary spaceships, that's my business.